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hernancortes 10-06-2009 11:54 AM
HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
But....

Breaking News: Eagles No, Buffaloes Yes
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  • No proof one-ounce American Eagle gold or silver collector coins will be produced in 2009 by the U.S. Mint.

    The bad news, cleared for release at noon Eastern Daylight time Oct. 6, doesn�t end there.

    There will also be:

    � No �W� mintmarked uncirculated silver American Eagle collector coins,
    � No proof fractional gold American Eagles,
    � No �W� uncirculated one-ounce gold American Eagles (the fractionals of this were killed at the end of last year),
    � No Uncirculated Dollar Coin Set, which would include a �W� silver American Eagle, and
    � No platinum American Eagle bullion coins.


    But the Mint also gives as well as takes.

    Perhaps the most surprising new issues coming are the probable Oct. 15 release of the 2009 gold Buffalo bullion coin and the Oct. 29 release of the proof collector version.

    Fractional gold American Eagle bullion coins in tenth-ounce, quarter-ounce and half-ounce weights are scheduled tentatively for release Dec. 3.

    A proof one-ounce platinum American Eagle also is scheduled tentatively for release Dec. 3. The Mint stresses the word �tentatively.�

    It is still battling to supply the market with American Eagle bullion coins, which are mandated by law whereas the collector versions are not.

    �Because of unprecedented demand for American Eagle gold and silver bullion coins, the United States Mint suspended production of 2009 proof and uncirculated versions of these coins,� it says.

    Even though the rationing of the bullion gold and silver American Eagles ended June 15, acquiring adequate supplies of blanks has been an ongoing struggle for the Mint. In light of this, it might perhaps be surprising that the Mint would bother to produce the gold Buffalo coins this year at all.

    Those with a lawyer�s eye will spot the exception in the language here: �All available 22-karat gold and silver bullion blanks are being allocated to the American Eagle gold and American Eagle silver bullion coins programs as mandated by Public Law 99-185 and Public Law 99-61, respectively.�

    The one-ounce Buffalo gold bullion coins and collector coins are struck on 24-karat gold planchets.

    Once again the Mint holds out the hope that the collector coins suspended this year will be returned to production, but now in 2010, as it works �diligently with current and potential blank suppliers to increase the supply of bullion coins blanks.�


http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Arti...ArticleId=7937

hernancortes 10-06-2009 12:03 PM
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From the horse's mouth:


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United States Mint to Offer 2009 American Buffalo Proof Gold and American Eagle Platinum Proof Coins
Agency also announces products not offered in 2009

WASHINGTON - The United States Mint announced today that it will offer for sale 2009 one-ounce American Buffalo Proof Gold Coins and one-ounce American Eagle Platinum Proof Coins. The release dates for these products are tentatively October 29 and December 3, 2009, respectively. In addition, the agency will release the one-ounce 2009 American Buffalo Gold Bullion Coin on October 15 and the fractional 2009 American Eagle Gold Bullion Coins-in the one-half ounce, one-quarter ounce, and one-tenth ounce weights-on December 3.
The United States Mint will not offer the following products in 2009: the one-ounce American Eagle Silver Proof Coin; the one-ounce American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin; the American Eagle Gold Proof Coins (all weights, as well as the four-coin set); the one-ounce American Eagle Gold Uncirculated Coin; the United States Mint Annual Uncirculated Dollar Coin Set<SUP>TM</SUP>, which also includes a one-ounce American Eagle Silver Uncirculated Coin; and the American Eagle Platinum Bullion Coins (all weights).
Because of unprecedented demand for American Eagle Gold and Silver Bullion Coins, the United States Mint suspended production of 2009 proof and uncirculated versions of these coins. All available 22-karat gold and silver bullion blanks are being allocated to the American Eagle Gold and American Eagle Silver Bullion Coin Programs, as mandated by Public Law 99-185 and Public Law 99-61, respectively. Both laws direct the agency to produce these coins in quantities sufficient to meet public demand. The proof and uncirculated versions of the American Eagle Gold and Silver Proof Coins are not mandated by law.
The United States Mint is working diligently with current and potential blank suppliers to increase the supply of bullion coin blanks, so it can offer to the public the proof and uncirculated versions of American Eagle silver, gold, and platinum coins in 2010.
The United States Mint, created by Congress in 1792, is the Nation's sole manufacturer of legal tender coinage. Its primary mission is to produce an adequate volume of circulating coinage for the Nation to conduct its trade and commerce. The United States Mint also produces proof, uncirculated and commemorative coins; Congressional Gold Medals; and silver, gold and platinum bullion coins.



Contact:
Press inquiries: Carolyn Fields (202) 354-7222
Customer Service information: (800) USA MINT (872-6468)



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New2This 10-06-2009 12:13 PM
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The MINT should sell the Buffalo bullion coins directly through the MINT's website since they waited so damn long to get these out. Now the price of GOLD is at an all-time nominal high, Buffalo premiums are $150 over spot, and there are less than three months left in the year to get these things minted and sent to distributors nationwide; I sense a severe ASS-RAPING on the price of these things unless they are available directly from the MINT as a way to make-up for their colossal failure to do their jobs.

hernancortes 10-06-2009 12:27 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Discuss the implications:

1)What will this do to '08 Buff values? Pay attention to weekly mintage going forward!

2) I do not think the mint has ever allowed production of BULLION eagles into the next calender year! Meaning bullion production has always ended December, then the next year is offered the first or second week of January. That leaves less than 1 month of fractional AGE bullion availability! (Dec. 3 to Dec. 31) and only 2 months of Bullion Buff availability (Oct. 29th) Yes or no?

Basically I'm saying there could be some NEW keys to the Eagle and Buff series.

HistoryStudent 10-06-2009 12:31 PM
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Question:

What's the best way to order these right now?

Anything that the mint decides to BLESS us poor unwashed and dity souls with?

Martian_Time_slip 10-06-2009 12:33 PM
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US mint's website says buffalo proofs to go on sale end of October.....Hopefully that means we can order direct. That's how most proofs are sold, right? Anyone want to guess the cost? I'd say 250 dollar premium easy.

hernancortes 10-06-2009 12:37 PM
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MTS,
Correct, proofs are direct ordered from the mint (pricey) and they announce availability weeks in advance (12 noon), so I'd keep checking the site for a link.
Notice the press release's qualifier that everything is tentative!
Bullion buffs are released to authorized dealers only.

HistoryStudent 10-06-2009 12:38 PM
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October may bring the BIGGIE advance on spot, say guesstimate, of $1250.00

add 300 to that and figure $1,550.00 or more each for ONE proof BUFFALO at ONE-OUNCE.

Total guess - but right now it would be around $1,400.00 if IT was up on the site and available - and it Ain't!

hernancortes 10-06-2009 12:54 PM
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I'd guess it'd slot in a notch below the UHR, a differnence of say $40 or $50.

Martian_Time_slip 10-06-2009 12:57 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Anyone think there'll be a one-per-household limit like the uhr? If so, any guess to mintage of the proof buffalo?

croakersoaker 10-06-2009 01:09 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
according to the mints pricing schedule right now they would be 1308.00

coinpage 10-06-2009 01:42 PM
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There goes a complete set of ASE proofs. They couldn't get enough silver to produce the proofs. They couldn't find 750,000 oz of silver?


Something doesn't smell right.

HistoryStudent 10-06-2009 02:51 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinpage (Post 1957538)
There goes a complete set of ASE proofs. They couldn't get enough silver to produce the proofs. They couldn't find 750,000 oz of silver?


Something doesn't smell right.
It's REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to make silver Eagles out of paper derrivatives, right?

:111::111::111:

What stinks is BURNING paper smouldering with all the BS the POWERZ to BE flush out. :111::111:

New2This 10-06-2009 04:04 PM
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Available NOW!!! at APMEX:

http://www.apmex.com/Product/56068/2...t_22___30.aspx

Twisted Avatar 10-06-2009 04:23 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martian_Time_slip (Post 1957471)
Anyone think there'll be a one-per-household limit like the uhr? If so, any guess to mintage of the proof buffalo?
And they still wont be able to keep up with demand.

The delays will be through the fricken roof.

Nothing can stop it.


T

Jellylegs 10-06-2009 04:55 PM
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Can someone please explain to me what this "W" mark I hear many of you speak of on the American coins & what is its significance if any & how does it effect the price of items? Is there a comparison that other countries have to the "W"? Also what is burnished as I have also seen this mentioned in particular with coins with this "W" mark?

Lots of questions for our friends over the pond, :wink: been meaning to ask about this for a while.

hernancortes 10-06-2009 05:00 PM
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THe W is simply the mintmark indicating where the coin was minted, West Point, NY.
The only remaining mints in the US are Philadelphia, Denver and San Fran. Often coins are not minted with a mintmark though.
Mints used to exist in Charlotte, Carson City, New Orleans, and Dahlonega.

Twisted Avatar 10-06-2009 05:03 PM
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W signifies The Mint that it came from which in this case would be West Point New York.

They only produced a limited number of "W"'s so it all just a matter of populations and few design changes( reverse strike, frosting, etc)

Nothing really to lose your mind over unless you are in hardcore speculation or collecting for the sheer love of having a complete set.

Hope this helps.

T

Stealinator 10-06-2009 05:09 PM
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Apmex has the 09' a bit cheaper than the 06-08 I looked at couple weeks back. They wanted $1,149 when I was lookin then. Picked one of nucleo for 1,083.

HistoryStudent 10-06-2009 07:32 PM
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I rather SEE a LITTLE than HEAR a LOT of B.S.

:111::111:


P.S. I've been waiting and holding my BATED BLUE BREATH since January 1st, 2009.

Master_Ho 10-07-2009 03:20 AM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1957654)
It's REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to make silver Eagles out of paper derrivatives, right?

:111::111::111:

You had me :rofl: too!!

Jellylegs 10-07-2009 04:49 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1957878)
W signifies The Mint that it came from which in this case would be West Point New York.

They only produced a limited number of "W"'s so it all just a matter of populations and few design changes( reverse strike, frosting, etc)

Nothing really to lose your mind over unless you are in hardcore speculation or collecting for the sheer love of having a complete set.

Hope this helps.

T
There just seemed to be a lot of talk about the "W"!:biggrin: I guess when we only have 1 mint here we don't get this issue cropping up, they do seem popular with some of you guys. So does the West Point still exist? If not I guess this is what all the fuss is about if they can't produce anymore.

rodzm 10-12-2009 12:23 PM
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I took the plunge on a Gold Buffalo...i was going to wait for the proof version but at this time i just dont see it worthwhile to drop an extra 200-300 on it.

HistoryStudent 10-12-2009 02:46 PM
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APMEX.COM has them for $1129.00 ish now. Billion strike business - the PROOFS are so much prettier - darn IT!

"I wonder who KISSING her now?" old song from WWI or WWII - that's for my GOLD EAGLES and their kissing cousins - 1/2 1/4 (with funny $10) and the 1/10 too.

In PROOF and circulated.

Oh, my goodness my set of PROOF silver eagles has been ruined too.

:ok::ok::Surrender:

Platinum - don't even think about those 8 coins. At these give a way prices - you gotta be crazy to mint anything, right? banchabancha:banana::banana:

Master_Ho 10-12-2009 06:13 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1968758)
"I wonder who KISSING her now?" old song from WWI or WWII
"Daddy! Daddy! Where's my "now"?"

(Old joke done about that song from the same period!)











Why aren't I dead yet?

:banghead:

HistoryStudent 10-12-2009 07:34 PM
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Thank YOU mr hernancortes

Because of you I had to change my minor buying strategy this year.

TO all the supposed stuff they'll release in a FLASH.

May GOD richly BLESS you...

HS

HistoryStudent 10-12-2009 07:36 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1969135)
"Daddy! Daddy! Where's my "now"?"

(Old joke done about that song from the same period!)



Dang it we gotta quit singing and start BUYING -

"Oh the Weather outside is FRIGHTFUL, but the GOLD and SILVER are more DELIGHTFUL!"

Let it snow let it snow let it snow!

DIE HARD ONE BUYER!

:wink:







Why aren't I dead yet?

I dont KNOW we are both older than dirt!

:banghead:
read above in your POST!

:Surrender::10_1_19::thumb.aspx: best to YA HS :111:

oldmansmith 10-12-2009 07:36 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
I bought this earlier, don't like this price somehow...

2008 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin Van Buren�s Liberty (X24)
Price: $666.00

1981 10-12-2009 09:11 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmansmith (Post 1969250)
I bought this earlier, don't like this price somehow...

2008 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin Van Buren�s Liberty (X24)
Price: $666.00
That's just the designer's initials.

Master_Ho 10-13-2009 02:04 AM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1969249)
read above in your POST!

:Surrender::10_1_19::thumb.aspx: best to YA HS :111:

We live in California!!!

What the hell is snow????


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HistoryStudent 10-13-2009 10:07 AM
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BELOW!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Master_Ho (Post 1969743)
We live in California!!!

What the hell is snow????
BIG BEAR in December!

Christmas TREE LODGE...


Take a VACATION with the WINNINGS!

:36_1_63::36_1_63::36_1_63::36_1_63:

hernancortes 10-13-2009 11:27 AM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1969241)
Thank YOU mr hernancortes

Because of you I had to change my minor buying strategy this year.

TO all the supposed stuff they'll release in a FLASH.

May GOD richly BLESS you...

HS
Well don't thank me just yet as my strategery is to wait these out and just to pay close attention to mintage #'s as they come out weekly, and then pounce. This hasn't been working out 2 well thus far as spot continues to climb almost every day. In the meantime I bought an Anna Harrison as I think she'll go sub-4000, she's so homely.... realizing I'll be stuck with her for some time.

HistoryStudent 10-13-2009 01:33 PM
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Coin show dealers are dissapointed with performance and demand for collectible dated coins. They see Bullion prices doing better, and are confused.
This proves to me Gold is a currency and safety play, heavy demand, as most other inferior types of investments deflate.
Even the Muscle car prices are weaker. So don't let anybody fool you. We CAN have much higher Gold prices in a deflation, like we have now in retail and real estate.

The above is a NOTE from GOLD_EAGLE forum - HS

It seems to me also that the COINS are waiting for the INFLATION numbers to hit. I follow the SAINTS like a MONK daily - and they are the first to REACT to anything.

Lately they look like the ECONOMY, "the jerks on TV talk about improvement but it still looks like a MORGUE!":111::111::yes:

PSS from HS - gold and silver too JUST love EXTREMES - and right now gold will soon hit $1070 and silver $18.00

those are MINOR extremes - wait til the sheeple "GET A CLUE" that paper is BURNING - they we'll see the fire engines of paper run into gold & silver....

PSSS I think the MINT will post when the gold hits $1200 soon this month - that way they sell for MORE... lots more...

I M A G I N E about $1500 each...

HS

Master_Ho 10-13-2009 05:52 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HistoryStudent (Post 1970077)
BELOW!

BIG BEAR in December!

Christmas TREE LODGE...


Take a VACATION with the WINNINGS!

:36_1_63::36_1_63::36_1_63::36_1_63:

You must be one of the native Californians - or just been here too long.........

You have forgotten............

Snow is suppose to come to YOU...........

Not you to it!

:biggrin:

hernancortes 10-16-2009 11:53 AM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hernancortes (Post 1957414)
Discuss the implications:

1)What will this do to '08 Buff values? Pay attention to weekly mintage going forward!

2) I do not think the mint has ever allowed production of BULLION eagles into the next calender year! Meaning bullion production has always ended December, then the next year is offered the first or second week of January. That leaves less than 1 month of fractional AGE bullion availability! (Dec. 3 to Dec. 31) and only 2 months of Bullion Buff availability (Oct. 29th) Yes or no?

Basically I'm saying there could be some NEW keys to the Eagle and Buff series.
Well we didn't have to wait long to get an answer. It appears the mint has plenty of 24k blanks to mint the 1-oz. Buffalo bullion coin --- 50,500 sold already!
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...tals&year=2009

hernancortes 10-16-2009 04:49 PM
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Update, spoke 2 soon. Another 21,000 sold since last post LOL

netwanderer 10-16-2009 05:43 PM
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Yeah, 71,500 now. Are people becoming a little too crazy? I have to jump in and get one now before it's too late.:553:

mojo1 10-16-2009 05:47 PM
Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS: '09 BUFFS A GO
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hernancortes (Post 1976392)
Update, spoke 2 soon. Another 21,000 sold since last post LOL
Thanks hernancortes,

So over 70,000 already! I'm waiting on the proof, hopefully a low # when it's all said and done but I doubt it. Probably have to take the 29th off just to make sure I get one.

goldwish 10-17-2009 01:47 PM
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Got in line early but I bet not as early as some other GIM'rs here!
orders > 70k !??!!! what is UP with THAT!
"cash is trash"
yoikes
:)

Workaholic 10-17-2009 02:05 PM
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What are the odds mine will ship on the the 28th as stated in my confirmation transmittal????

Knight Rider 10-20-2009 09:11 AM
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So who here's going to order a 09 Proof Buffalo. I'm thinking of ordering one and getting it graded right away. The MS70 First Strikes seem to sell for quite a bit on eBay, not that I'd want to sell.

Rebel Yarr 10-27-2009 03:27 PM
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Mine just shipped ...weeee

Gordon Gekko 10-27-2009 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight Rider (Post 1981889)
So who here's going to order a 09 Proof Buffalo. I'm thinking of ordering one and getting it graded right away. The MS70 First Strikes seem to sell for quite a bit on eBay, not that I'd want to sell.
I am contemplating picking one up come Thursday. I MIGHT send it to PCGS for grading. I had great luck with the UHR as it came back PCGS First Strike MS70. Perhaps I will have the same luck with the Buffalo Proof?

I just can't make up my mind. I have a feeling that gold is in for a serious correction, short term. If that's the case, it would obviously make sense to wait for the price to come down, but then I would give up the chance to get the First Strike designation.

Decisions, decisions...

goldwish 10-29-2009 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko (Post 1993938)
I am contemplating picking one up come Thursday. I MIGHT send it to PCGS for grading. I had great luck with the UHR as it came back PCGS First Strike MS70. Perhaps I will have the same luck with the Buffalo Proof?

I just can't make up my mind. I have a feeling that gold is in for a serious correction, short term. If that's the case, it would obviously make sense to wait for the price to come down, but then I would give up the chance to get the First Strike designation.

Decisions, decisions...
what's been their history or policy regarding repricing? slow moving at best methinks. unless it's going up :p


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